UK politics live: Burnham says he wants to fight next election on plan for new taxes to pay for free social care in England

In his speech, Stephen Kinnock started with a reference to his father, the former Labour leader Neil Kinnock, and one of his most famous speeches.

It is a joy to be here with you. After a thousand generations of waiting for the first one, another Kinnock has the chance to speak with you from this platform.

My first job today is to convey warm and comradely greetings to you all from Dad.

He is no doubt watching on the telly, and no doubt drafting detailed feedback as we speak. So – no pressure!

Stephen Kinnock, the Welsh secretary, tried to compare Plaid Cymru with Reform UK in his speech to the Labour conference.

He said:

Before the 7 May election, Plaid were silent on their obsession with separatism. But now their true colours shine through.

They say: “Let’s build walls. Look inward. Keep Welsh power confined to Welsh borders.”

So what are they really saying to the Welsh steelworker? Your world stops here …

And Reform are no better. All they ever want to do is build walls between people and communities. They stoke division and tell you your neighbour is the problem.

Now they may offer an arresting narrative on Facebook, but I spy some plastic patriotism.

Funded by crypto billionaires, egged on by foreign powers waging war on Europe and on our values.

But conference – Wales is a nation of dragons, we are not Putin’s Parrots.

Plaid and Reform offer the same poison: you’re safer alone. You’re stronger, smaller.

But that’s a lie. And it’s not who we are in Wales.

Wales wasn’t built by people who retreated or set communities against each other.

Wales was built by people who went out and changed the world.

Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are very different parties and, when Kinnock claimed they were alike, he was relying on alternative versions of what “safer alone” politcs might mean. Plaid are an “alone” party in the sense they want independence from the UK (although for some people in the party that is not much more than a notional aspiration, and more devolution is the real priority). Reform UK is opposed to Welsh independence. But it does favour independence from institutions like the EU, and it is generally quite sceptical about the power of central government. By contrast, Plaid was strongly opposed to Brexit, and it firmly believes in the power of government as a potential force for good.

Commenting on Kinnock’s speech, Liz Saville Roberts, the Plaid leader at Westminster, said:

When Stephen Kinnock says Plaid Cymru and Reform ‘offer the same poison’, he’s insulting the many thousands of former Labour voters who chose Plaid Cymru in May. Instead of throwing insults, Labour should reflect on why so many people chose positive change after 27 years of Welsh Labour rule.

Scotland and Wales both have recently acquired new Labour leaders. The Scottish Labour leader, Michael Marra, and the Welsh Labour leader, Ken Skates, are both taking over parties demoralised and diminished by the May elections results.

This is what Marra said in his speech about the lessons for Scottish Labour.

In Scotland, we have some difficult truths to face up to. May was the sixth Holyrood election in a row where we have lost votes and seats.

Scotland knows what we are against. We’re against an SNP government that has been in power too long. We’re against a Tory party that should never be in power again. And a Reform party that would take us and this country to a dark and dangerous place.

But for all Scotland knew what we are against, people didn’t know enough of what we were for. And it’s my job to change that.

Social justice. Good work, good housing, good public services. That’s what Labour is for.

The good life for working people, not struggling for a holiday once a year or a pint once a week. That’s what Labour is for.

In Scotland, Labour has been out of power at Holyrood since 2007. But until May Labour had always led the devolved government in Cardiff, and it had been the most powerful party in the country for 100 years. Skates told the conference Welsh Labour had to, in effect, start again from scratch. He said:

I want to speak honestly today about what happened to us in May. The result was shattering. There is no point dressing it up. After more than two decades in government, the people of Wales delivered a profound judgment on us. We heard it. I heard it.

There are some things which, when they break, you can pick up the pieces, glue them carefully back together, and put them on a shelf. May was not like that. The judgment was too fundamental.

Our task is not to reconstruct a Welsh Labour party that looks like the past. It is to build something new. Something confident. Something exciting.

Something for the future.

No more Ming-vase politics for Wales. There should be no steady as she goes for Labour. That is not what we were built to do. It is time to stop protecting what was, and start creating what could be.

Emily Dickinson wrote that hope is: “the thing with feathers— That perches in the soul— And sings the tune without the words— And never stops—at all—”. I like that. But hope isn’t about pretending the storm never happened. Hope is what survives it, and politics is what rebuilds after it.

Politics must go further than poetry. Hope needs substance. Hope needs purpose. And hope needs results. People need to feel progress in their daily lives, because once they stop feeling it, soundbites mean nothing. And this is the lesson we have heard and learned. Not grudgingly. Not partially. Completely.

Douglas Alexander, the Scottish secretary, criticised the SNP government in Edinburgh for failing to support the defence industry in his speech to the conference. He said:

In March, this Labour government committed to invest £10m to support the Defence Technical College programme in Scotland. We asked and urged the Scottish government to match that funding so that Scottish workers would have the skills to benefit from the investments this government is making in defence.

Match funding from the Scottish government would mean that Scotland could have, not one, but two DTECs that would benefit young people in both the east and the west of our nation. And six months on? No mention of these colleges in their newly published Programme for Government and then late in the day – not a commitment but simply an offer to talk.

Talking is of course welcome, but the rest of the world isn’t waiting. Indeed, we’re at real risk of Scotland falling behind as DTECs move forward elsewhere across the UK. And this isn’t the first time that our government has had to urge action – and provide the leadership – our defence industries need.

Just last year, on this very stage, John Healey had to step in and provide the funding needed to save a specialist welding centre on the Clyde. All because the Scottish National party in its wisdom, decided that apparently there is something about welding metal to keep our country safe that is morally wrong.

Alexander was referring to what was then an SNP policy banning investment in the production of munitions. John Swinney, the first minister, subsequently reversed that policy.

Police have arrested two demonstrators outside the Labour party conference during a protest in support of Palestine Action, the Press Association reports. PA says:

More than 200 protesters sat outside the conference in Liverpool, many holding home-made banners which read: “I support Palestine Action,” the banned group.

Scores of police stood by before moving in to arrest an elderly man who was sitting under a tree.

Police then made another arrest after telling a protester he was holding up a sign supporting a proscribed organisation.

After asking the man if he was going to continue holding up the sign, police led him away.

More protesters are expected to sit in the same spot as those who have been arrested.

As first secretary of state, Louise Haigh is following in the footsteps of Barbara Castle, who was one of the first ministers to be given this title. Haigh started her speech to the conference this afternoon by praising her predecessor.

The last time I was here with you as your transport secretary, I spoke about my political hero – Barbara Castle.

A diminutive Yorkshire red head with a grit and determination that occasionally found herself in trouble.

Barbara once said “in politics, guts is all”.

I often think about that line.

What Barbara meant was that there’s no point being in politics if you’re not prepared to be brave.

I believe she was right then. I believe she is right today.

Haigh is in charge of the Cabinet Office and she used much of her speech to talk about procurement rules. She said changes introduced last month would ensure government spending protects British jobs. She said:

The chancellor John Healey and I have been very clear, if your business is bidding for government contracts to defend our country, then you will be judged on your commitment to backing high quality, British jobs.

And just in case Kemi Badenoch is watching – that’s what we mean when we say social security and national security go hand in hand. That’s the Labour way.

Haigh said the same approach would be applied to utility companies.

Because the big water companies, the energy giants – these are not free marketeers.

These are not Adam Smith’s merchants, in fierce competition to outdo one another on price or on quality.

These are monopolies with a vice-like grip on British people and British businesses.

So today I want to be clear that we expect private utility companies to use their own procurement to back British jobs and skills in manufacturing.

Haigh said she wanted more insourcing.

When existing contracts end in 18 months’ time we will begin bringing more than a thousand outsourced cleaning, catering and security jobs across Whitehall back in-house.

And that is just the start.

We will establish a dedicated Insourcing Unit in the Office of the prime minister and cabinet to work across departments, share best practice and accelerate the insourcing of thousands more jobs across Whitehall.

And she announced that the government is commissioning a new state-of-the-art marine research vessel.

Zack Polanski, the Green party leader, criticised Andy Burnham for not saying anything about social housing in his interview this morning. In a statement, Polanski, who is the Green candidate in Holborn and St Pancras, where a byelection is taking place to find a replacement for Keir Starmer, said:

The prime minister promises he won’t ‘back away from difficult issues’ at Labour party conference today, but he has little to offer people who are struggling with unaffordable housing and spiralling bills.

While Labour pats itself on the back in Liverpool, I’ve been knocking on hundreds of doors in Holborn and St Pancras. People want to see bold change, not more of the same – and that’s why we’re calling for rent controls and 150,000 new social and council homes every year.

ITV’s Robert Peston has an intriguing theory as to how Andy Burnham will fund his plans for an NHS-style social care service. He has posted about it on social media. Here is an extract.

I came away from Andy Burnham’s pre-conference interview thinking he may well promise to fund his new free system of care for the elderly (at least in part) by reforming the expensive triple lock guarantee for above-inflation increases in the state pension.

Here were the clues in his chat with the bbc.

First he said that the plan would not be implemented in this parliament. It would be in Labour’s next general-election manifesto. And his reason was that he would not break Starmer’s manifesto, which promised to keep the triple lock.

Second, he said everyone would contribute to the funding of social care, but that the funding mechanism would be different from that of the NHS. In other words he would not use general taxation to pay for his new national care service. And to state the obvious, if the rate of increase in the state pension becomes less generous – up-rating by inflation perhaps rather than the higher of inflation or earnings, with a floor of 2.5% – this would have an impact both on current pensioners and future ones. All of us would contribute, either now or in the future.

Third, he has been listening to what I and others have been querying, which is whether he is prepared to take tough decisions that upset and enrage important sections of the community, when he believes doing so is in the national interest. He made a point, in the context of how he would fund social care, in saying he would show his mettle, his backbone. And to state the obvious, opposition parties and some older people will be angry if he abolishes the triple lock.

At the Labour party conference last year Bridget Phillipson and Lucy Powell went head to head in a hustings for the Labour deputy leadership. Powell, who had been sacked from cabinet, was seen as the pro-Burnham candidate and her victory (by a margin of 54% to 46%) was seen as evidence that members were not happy with Keir Starmer’s leadership.

Today they were in effect head to head again, speaking on after the other on the main conference platform.

Phillipson went first, speaking in her capacity as Labour’s chair. (She is also minister for women and equalities.) She spoke about Labour’s achievements in office, such as the Employment Rights Act, the Renters’ Rights Act, and getting rid of the two-child benefit cap, and she attacked the Tories and Reform UK.

The next election won’t just be a choice between Labour and the right. It is bigger than that. It is a choice between hope and fear.

We’ve seen what Reform believe. We’ve seen how they want to rip up the laws that protect our rights, our lives, our families, our chances.

And this month, we’ve seen how they make policy. When the crypto billionaires pay up, they don’t hang about. They change the line …

As for the Tories, well I hardly know where to start. Racing through the gutter with Reform, from maternity pay to Muslims at prayer. But they still love their greatest hits, they really, really do.

Kemi Badenoch sacked her shadow chancellor [Mel Stride] for suggesting Liz Truss might, just might, have got things wrong. Replaced him with a man who defended Liz Truss’s budget as “the right plans” which “make our economy competitive”.

(Phillipson was wrong about the reason for Stride being sacked. Stride did give a speech disowning Liz Truss, but that was more than a year ago, and was not the reason for Stride being replaced.)

Lucy Powell was speaking in her capacity as deputy leader and as education secretary. As deputy leader, she also attacked the Tories and Reform UK. She said:

Nigel Farage wants us to all blame immigrants for our country’s ills. He wants a race to the bottom on workers’ rights and deregulation. Especially for his Billionaire crypto mates. He believes in trickle-down economics, that never actually trickles down.

Conference, he’s just a modern-day love child of Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher. And quite bizarrely, for someone who seems to hate foreigners so much, he really does love their money, doesn’t he?

And as for the Tories … well, they seem somewhere between an identity crisis and collective amnesia.

But we won’t forget – the British people won’t forget – the damage they did in 14 years of government. They left this country worse off, our public services hollowed out, and now they’ve got the nerve to lecture us on the crises they created.

Charities in the care sector have strongly welcomed what Andy Burnham said about planning to introduce an NHS-style care service in his interview this morning.

Caroline Abrahams, director Age UK and co-chair of the Care and Support Alliance, a network of care charities, said:

The comments made by the prime minister today suggest we are closer to the fundamental social care reform we need to see than we’ve been for a generation … We await the prime minister’s speech on Tuesday with huge anticipation.

And Helen Walker, chief executive of Carers UK, a charity for carers, said:

This is a pivotal moment for families and their loved ones who need unpaid care, to hear the prime minister talk of building a National Care Service and introducing a system that works on NHS principles.